iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max
Former Apple Store employee here! You would be surprised by how people become blind from all the smokes and mirrors of the Apple branding and advertisement. I remember one day, there was a 40-something years old man, that came in with an iPhone X and switched it for an XS, adding 500 euros. Only to return 1 week later to switch the XS for an XR with better storage, adding 250 euros. Only to return 2 weeks later, to switch the XR for an XSmax adding 400 euros more or less. This gentleman was so brainwashed into FOMO by Apple that threw 1000+ euros out of the window. One other time, there was another gentleman that clearly couldn't afford an iPhone X. He was so torn when deciding if to buy or not. I tried to give him hints that it was better if he let go of it ("maybe wait next year, your iPhone 5 is still doing the job"), but no, in the end he decided to go for it and we tried to do a 6 months payment plan. His card got rejected. Then we tried with a 10 months payment plan. Rejected. Then we tried with 20 months one. Finally, accepted. He wasn't even happy about that. Was probably thinking about what he was going to have to renounce for that iPhone. I tell you, the whole process was physically painful.
Smartphone hardware is done. There's no significant gain in buying a new smartphone if you have bought one in last 3 years, absolutely nothing if the battery is replaced; there could be even diminished returns if you buy a new smartphone(unavailability of headphone jack, losing metal body, losing faster biometric authentication).
Improvement in camera could be enticing, but the platforms to which the photos, videos are shared would compress them anyways making them all nearly identical. Better frame rates is the only thing which makes a difference. Case in point : MKBHD made a blind test last year and low cost smartphone Mi Pocophone which scored pathetic camera performance in individual reviews came out top in the blind test.
So, the subscription services are the new lifeline for the hardware manufacturers; included free subscription should add some value to the new customers and if the SW services work; may be compensate for diminishing hardware sales.
It's been clear for quite some time that terms like "Extreme", "Pro" and "Max" are marketing terms. They are not accurate classifications of how they will be used.
If people feel strongly enough that the name is not accurate, they will have to buy a competing product that fulfills their needs at the price they are willing to pay.
I suppose what would be interesting, but highly proprietary, would be Apple's marketing research information on how the "Pro" marketing term is received by their target consumers.
All that being said, I personally have never bought from Apple, and think the $150 upgrade cost is ridiculous (not to mention the $300 jump from the XR, which is still $300 more than I paid for my Pixel)! So I could say the "Pro" marketing isn't working on me! But overall, they aren't hurting for customers.
Lots of people disappointed in the new iPhone. The reason I see is simple; Apple has long been outsourced a large fraction of its hardware innovation capabilities to other companies rather than having a full vertical ownership of the production line, unlike its competitors (Samsung, Huawei, etc).
This works very well when most of the required technologies are already there for bringing their idea to the reality so Apple doesn't have to push the state of the art for the manufacturing technologies. Multi-touch, Retina Display, Apple designed SoC were all good examples where this strategy worked out very well.
The trouble is that now most of the low hanging fruits are gone and the rest of innovation opportunities lie within the manufacturer side and require non-trivial investments. For instance, getting rid of notch requires camera under screen technology. This is being developed by Samsung, their competitor. The same thing applies to fingerprint sensor under screen. While all the competitors are shipping 5G in their flagships, iPhone 11 couldn't ship 5G due to their hard dependency on Qualcomm. In short, the current landscape doesn't allow Apple to keep itself on the bleeding edge in the smartphone business.
I'm curious about how Apple will address this problem. Disappointingly, I haven't seen any positive signal to indicate that Apple has a good plan to address this issue. It first tried a high-price, even-more-premium strategy and this turned out to be a disastrous one. Apple now tries to expand into the services business and chooses to be a competitor to its own ecosystem by exercising its dominant position. I'm pretty sure that this plan will work very well, maybe too well sufficient to de-prioritize the iPhone business just enough to keep its marketshare around 3~40% and make no more commitments. I hope I'm wrong.
I'm quite sad they have removed 3D Touch from the phones. A minor feature I really enjoy with quick peeking — and bummed to lose that touch information for apps like Procreate Pocket and other drawing tools.
Does everyone here also drive a base model Honda Civic because “car hardware is done”? This is a luxury product and people upgrade because it’s fun and feels great to have the fastest phone and fanciest camera. It’s not that big a deal, and it’s definitely not a ripoff.
Disappointing that the base configuration of the iPhone 11 Pro has 64 GB of storage. If you're going to call it Pro and talk about how you can shoot professional video, you can't ship it with 64 GB of storage.
EDIT: Also, they don't let you jump to 128 GB. You have to go to 256 GB, for $150 more. I can see why they didn't talk about this at the event. People would have booed.
For the first time ever I feel like I just wasted my time watching an Apple product announcement. I'm not saying those products are bad or are poorly engineered or anything like that. I'm just saying the products they showed off today aren't anything I would want.
I have an iPhone 7 Plus and comparing it to the iPhone 11 versions I don't see anything in the latter that I'd upgrade for. The best I could come up with would maybe be the watch but that's only because I have a Series 1 that is probably on its last legs. If I'm being honest, however, when the Series 1 goes I'll probably go back to my $30 Timex. $5/mo for Arcade and TV+ each is a great price but then again, at least for the latter, I'd be paying a little over a third of the price of Netflix for a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the content. Sure they'll be adding more but nothing they have now really gets me excited to watch.
I used to so look forward to product announcements because it was like being a kid again. Looking through the Christmas catalog at all the things I'd love to have. Imagining how my life might be better "if I just had that new iPhone!" Now? Meh.
I'm genuinely sad. I feel like it's the end of a very long era.
Year after year of new iPhone's premieres I wonder for how long I'm going to use my iPhone SE - 3,5years has gone and nothing new for me on the horizon :(
I don't care about missing jack, USB-C, cameras and other things - just make it smaller and it will fine by me.
That camera cluster gives me trypophobia vibes. I feel like some sort of robot insect monster is going to hatch and take over my brain. (and/or this iPhone is an infant robot overlord)
Another iteration of "why bother" gadgets which is definitely cool but do we all really need one? I expect the fad to break in the next decade.
This thread needs to lighten up. The 11 is an incremental improvement - is that so wrong? Who still upgrades their phone every year anyway?
I bought my iPhone 8 two years ago thinking of it as a 5 year investment.
A week ago we discussed Om Malik's article "Camera sales are falling sharply". I am one of those people who now does not upgrade his camera, nor use it any more, as much as I like it. I use my smartphone, albeit with some aftermarket Moment wide- and fish-eye lenses on it.
This phone makes total sense to me. The money I used to spend on cameras and lenses will be captured by the smartphone companies.
These threads always seem to miss the point. It's not about the specs, it never was, and never will be.
Apple builds, or at least tries to build, seamless experiences. It's the reason there's limited hardware, excellent software support for past versions, and a creeping product line to extend to every device you come into contact with.
The demos showcase cool specs and features, but that is not where the value lies -- it lies in integration, cohesive experience and vendor lockin.
They're pushing out decent new revisions of the phone, but the creative push is going at integration(or should be!).
If I was Apple, I'd be aggressively funding R&D, building out a low cost, separate brand (to funnel India, Africa, into Apple devices over the next ~30 years), and spending everything else on beautiful, perfect integration, and maybe fixing up the Mac line.
Sell the privacy aspect hard, sell the integration even harder, and no competitor will ever unseat you.
Apple knew it back in 2017 and as each year progresses it’s becoming increasingly clear we have exited the innovation phase and are well into the saturated/sustained phone market. We will never see an iPhone announcement quite like the first 5 and the X. Short of a form factor change, our phones will last longer and the new phone feature list will decrease year over year.
Also - the Pros are thicker, heavier, and slightly taller and wider than the X and XS. Couple months ago someone linked to an article on how much bigger iPhones are getting and this year continued that trend.
I love the SE because it has style, unlike every other later iPhone. I stopped using it because system font size of 9.3pt is too small to read without glasses. Apart from being unreadable it was great for form factor, battery life.
Apple is now in classic enterprise survival mode churning out incremental stuff. Their innovation is in hardware - i really long for them to bring some innovation to the user experience.
That said peeps should not reach too much into comments by HN folks about not liking ifobs....those devices are built for teenagers and people who want something that "just works". They dont want to mess with stuff under the hood and that is why iPhone and IOS now is as exciting as a bar of soap. Android on the other hand is a playground for folks who like to tinker, myself included.
Apple have nailed their market with perfection. I just hope that some people inside of Apple are working on something truly innovative for the future.
And onto why they canned the SE.....
The supply chain overhead of carrying and manufacturing a device which uses different tech is enormous. It can be almost as much as a seperate line of business - and that applies to not only Apple but also its component suppliers. If the business isnt big enough then it should be cut at some point. Given the FOMO around consumers using Apple and its software the SE became a niche device. It can have the 8/X/11 innards shoehorned in - everything, and my everything would need to be redesigned from scratch and one can imagine the cost of doing that and bringing to market. So i understand Apple's move from a commercial point of view. Very sad to see the brand axing the ONLY mobile product that had some sense of style and uniquess. The iFobs they now make are just boring. I much prefer Xiaomi because i get more phone for 20% of the price.
Meh... I'll wait for 2020 iPhones and the 5 cameras. 3 are barely cutting it.
At our house, because I like new gadgets and my wife doesn't care, I have typically gotten a new phone every 2 years, and handed my old one to her to use for 2 more.
Then we fucked up the supply chain by breaking two phones in fairly quick succession. :( She's on a 6S, and I have an 8. Both are about 2 years old now.
I love to shift to FaceID on a X-style phone, and I'm a big amateur photographer, so holy crap the photo magic in the 11 Pro is SERIOUSLY tempting even though, at this point, there's absolutely nothing wrong with my 8 aside from the lack of FaceID.
Affording it isn't an issue. I've just finally gotten old enough that "new gadget" isn't quite the slam-dunk idea it once was. LOL. OTOH, reloading the supply line with staggered phones is probably not a terrible idea...
Disappointed that there wasn't really a true breakout feature I guess they're still doing the s-cadence even if they got rid of the name.
I'm still rocking a 6s and I'm gonna keep it for the next year I guess, more battery life is nice but can't swing $999 for 4 more hours of battery life. Here's hoping 128gb is standard next year (I currently have the 128gb 6s which was the most expensive at the time).
Since it's quite obscure from the product page. Starting prices:
- iPhone 11: $699 (64GB)
- iPhone 11 Pro: $999 (64GB)
- iPhone 11 Pro Max: $1099 (64GB)
I watched the announcement really trying to find an excuse to upgrade. But to be honest there was not a single new feature that I really wanted and that my current iPhone 6S couldn't do. Pity.
That ability to record multiple video streams at the same time is the one game changer that jumped out to me. It doesn't matter to me, but a buddy of mine that podcasts and shoots video is about as thrilled as I've ever seen him on apple launch days.
Sadly still missing USB-C
The framing as if a normal smart phone battery isn't supposed to last a day ...
while enabling an unprecedented leap in battery life to easily get through the day
I'm disappointed that Apple has succumbed to dark patterns in its advertised pricing over the past year or so:
> iPhone 11 is coming.
> From $16.62/mo. per month or $399 with trade-in* Pre-order yours starting at 5:00 a.m. PDT on 9.13.
Guess I'm the only one that loves this new phone, because it's better in everyway, and I use my phone all day.
No real surprises but you have to give them credit for such consistent and focused execution.
The consistency builds trust that if I use their digital services, they won’t just change their offerings on a whim.
The utra wide angle 13mm lens will be awesome to have, been waiting a long time for that. One more reason not to carry a dslr.
The event was meh for me for the phones. Though I’m due for an upgrade and will likely get the 256GB 11 Pro Max (what a stupid name).
The series 5 watch looks awesome. I think I’m in for one as I’m still on a working (all day battery) first gen - day one Apple Watch Sport edition.
I’m most excited about the 16inch MacBook with a new keyboard as my mid 2013 MacBook Pro 15inch laptop is really showing its age.
Apple really nailed the pricing of Apple TV+ at 4.99 though. That’s a fair price. Apple Arcade will need to have some really cool games but it at 4.99 too is really nice.
Still notch... How long would I need to wait for another top-end notchless iPhone?
Anyone know if the new iPhones will be using Intel or Qualcomm for their wireless? I've had some issues with the iPhone XS where it shows full coverage but data stops transmitting intermittently.
My browser has a count of 124 "PRO"s in the article[1], yet I gave up finding any information on how to earn money with an iPhone. I thought that's what professionals are supposed to do/be. I think that's also what the original Macbook Pros were about.
Seems to me that the semantics behind the word is changing. Don't know what it is supposed to mean now, though. Of course it is the best iPhone ever made. It's the most recent one. And even though that should be clear from the get go, they have always made that part clear in the all the keynotes before without having to add a 'pro' into what already is a weird statement.
NB: I'm a happy iPhone user since the 3GS and currently have an iPhone X.
1. http://screenshots.200ok.ch/screenshot_2019_09_10-2495e490.p...
This is becoming a parody of where smartphones are up to. Retina display (which was supposed to have higher resolution than can be discerned by the retina) is not enough, now you need Super Retina XYZ! Want a great camera? Two isn't enough, now you need three of them! Oh, and it's fully AI accelarated!
I’m skipping this generation too and sticking with my X.
I want a larger screen, but I’m not paying £1.3k just for a larger screen.
Triple lens camera? I don’t care. A13 bionic? Don’t care either. WiFi 6? Nice to have, but I don’t have a WiFi 6 router and I don’t need that bandwidth on my phone, so... I don’t care about that either.
Seems to be a camera with a phone app
So the iPhone and iPad line-up look fine to me. Nothing exciting, but it doesn't have to be if you are upgrading every 2-3 years and you are a fan of Apple's tight integration of software and hardware.
The most worrying is the state of the App Store, a graveyard of abandoned apps and games. Apple Arcade looks like it will be such a missed opportunity. Why can I not develop full-fledged iPad apps on my iPad Pro?
The App Store used to be part of reviews of Apple's mobile devices, often giving it the edge over Android. Why is it not anymore?
Unless you're actually planning to shoot a movie on it there doesn't seem to be a lot of need for the Pro. I guess if you really want more battery life it may be worth it, but I'm thinking almost everybody is going to go with the 11 and its already probably overkill cameras. There's just not much to justify spending the extra hundreds of dollars on the Pro model.
I'm wondering... does this mean that the Pro has more battery life again than the XR, or now roughly equal?
Xr had about 2-3 hours more than the Xs I think. But the Pro now leaps by 4 vs Xs, and the 11 leaps by 1 vs Xr... So it should be about equal, perhaps Pro doing better, and the Pro Max def doing better (and should have quite insane battery life).
So I am so disinterested that I cannot even be troubled to go and look at the specs. There is nothing in any of the headlines, etc. that even drives me to look. No reason to upgrade from my 2017 iPhoneX. I used to enjoy this stuff.
All I want is an iPhone 5 form-factor with all screen and FaceID. Smaller is better.
Jeez. Since the last 3 years I re-watch the iPhone 7's keynote and I can say that my phone ( 7 ) is awesome and I can do such an amazing photos... However I haven't done so and I just use it to take a photo of a document to scan it or some stupid poster that I've seen in the subway.
Because it blows my mind that apple doesn't have a working video on their site....... nay, TWO non-working videos, the keynote and the short film.
Heres the short film on youtube:
I want a small iPhone, been waiting since the SE
There are tons of people waiting. Maybe they can do same as last time and release it in January!
Until then... I am disappointed in you, Apple! First you said the iPhone 4 was the perfect size. Then the 5 was taller and you said THAT was the perfect size. What happened to that!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99m7lebirE
Oh yeah what happened was you copied Microsoft phone's flat look and you copied the large phones and forgot about what you said. Just like you did with touting the PowerPC RISC set and then switching to Intel. Oh well. I like Apple anyway :)
PS: The Apple SE is like the Cadillac Ciel. They tease people, everyone loves it, but they never release it, to their own detriment!
Seems like they are still shipping $1k phone with USB 2.0 transfer speed. I don't mind lightning connector (though usb-c would be nice) but this transfer speed is so disappointing. Even Samsung galaxy s5 note (5 generations back) already had that.
I have purchased an iPhone every year since the 5. The XS was the first time I regretted it.
It's not bad by any means, but there really wasn't much of a change from the X (which I loved), except for the dual SIM feature. I may upgrade my Series 4 Watch to the Series 5, but I don't feel excited for the iPhone 11 Pro, and find that enormous camera module ugly, though the camera features are tempting.
Since the XS I've felt that Apple should switch to a biennial schedule, with new hardware every other year, while increasing the frequency of minor OS updates.
If they had XS was skipped then the 11 would have been a more exciting release. I feel smartphone tech in general has reached a plateau.
Anyone else notice the irony of Cook's statement near the beginning that the last model lineup has a 99% satisfaction rate?
So why do we need new phones then? "People don't know what they want until you show it to them." ~ Steve
Do they list the RAM capacity anywhere? It feels odd not to. (but then it's also a spec where Apple's been decisively beaten in the past, so it makes some sense not to show) I haven't been able to find it on either of the specs pages [0] [1].
I doubt that these are going to sell a lot, but they have their uses. In many jobs you just buy the phone that takes best presentable pictures and videos without effort and money is not an issue. As much as possible automation and defaults is positive if it gives you good photos.
Real estate agent, free lance journalist, some kind of surveyors, assessors, construction, landscapers, interior designers, repair and maintenance. Either you remember to carry a small camera everywhere in job or you buy a phone. $1000 is not much if you use it for work every day.
If it wasn't for iMessage, I wouldn't even be using an iPhone...
Still no tiny phone with a 4" screen. Guess I keep using my iPhone 6.
I had just convinced myself that I could probably deal with the size of the X and then they went and got rid of even that one in favor of something even larger as their smallest offering. Bleh
I was REALLY looking forward to the iPhone 11 Pro, but at AUD 1999, it’s beyond expensive for me. And I say this as someone who’s owned four iPhones and currently on an iPhone 7 Plus.
The product line is also confusing. There is no longer a iPhone 6/7/8 equivalent. And no, the 11/XR doesn’t count mainly because of the size. I’d have stuck with my current phone if not for terrible cellular connectivity on the crappy intel modem.
Oh well, hope the rumoured SE2 comes out early next year, else it’s time for me to jump ships.
Product page now online: https://www.apple.com/iphone-11-pro/
From perspective, both they are good smartphone now. But there are no impressive thing convincing me to buy its. In addition, the high price is one of the reasons to prevent me to buy its. If you are using iPhone 7, iPhone 7 plus or previous generation iPhones, it's good upgrade. I'm still wait for next generation iPhone, i guess it's major upgrade in both design and feature from Apple for iPhone .
Gone is the excitement where I would stalk the rumor sites and live stream the announcement. All I hear is better camera, faster chip ZZZZZzzzzzz
Ahem... this three-eyed raven is causing serious trypophobia for me. Wonder how it passed Apple's usual aesthetic design standards.
So here's how the event went:
- Saving so many lives with the heart sensor
- PMS tracker
- Some autism spectrum boy that started to run
- Trial periods
- Compass
Now, I'm sitting there thinking, wait, why do I need to hear this boasting about the past? Do you have cool shit to show or not? It all just smells like they are trying to impress their own employees and this is something I see so often in other companies, that Apple just didn't do before.
Perhaps one day they will add enough cameras to make the phone flat again.
Essentially iPhone XS with Pixel camera updates.
I'm holding out for next year's "iPhone 12 Pro Max Fusion Extreme".
Besides the goofy name, these are pretty underwhelming.
I'm not looking forward to setting an alarm for 5 am on Friday. I understand those on edt didn't like a 3 am time but it seems that there could have been a different compromise. Like 8 am pdt. Is that so they can say everything is sold out before the morning news cycle?
I only hope they keep the iPhone 6s/7/8 form factor. I've just bought a 6s the other month and enjoy its compactness and adequateness after my state-of-the-art, super-heavy Samsung S8 turned out not robust and mobile enough for my use :(
Honestly I was hoping that the leaked images were somehow very wrong. I hate the look of the back of the phone now. Who thought a rectangular module with a triangle of circular cameras would look good? It doesn't. It looks terrible.
Any official word on RAM? That's the biggest constraint on my iphone 8.
It’s game over for Apple. No innovation, only rampant MBA types. Failing phone and laptop product lines. Chinese phones are BTFOing them hard. No 3rd coming of Steve to save them. It was a nice run.
Never saw a more boring presentation in my life. Almost everybody looked like they wanted it to end. They almost ran off the stage the second they finished talking. And the crowd was bored too...
i am sick and tired of hearing apple claim "best", "first-ever", "most advanced", etc. in all their marketing. it's all unfounded, usually even false, and always misleading. there were smartphones last year that had the three-camera system (lg v40, which has more features in general as well). big deal.
for the most cringe-inducing experience of this, go read apple's marketing/product page for their new credit card. they act as if they've invented plastic for the first time.
I notice the iPhone is getting heavier. iPhone X 174 grams, iPhone XS 177 grams, iPhone 11 Pro 188 grams. The Max line is even heavier as expected. I wish they could make it lighter.
Had to triple check what site the article is on, the level of writing shrank my brain five fold, the amount of repetition and general lack of information is just too much.
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Meh, the pixel seems more interesting (although google is terrible for privacy) the only good news is on the better battery / also I think they killed 3D Touch no?
Seems weird to me that they would offer 64GB as base, then only 256GB and 512GB. IF this is for professionals shouldn't they have had a 1TB version? Or larger?
Apple should also make an slot for an external storage like SD card. This will allow the use to transfer or copy the date across multiple devices easily.
I’d love for them to make the same phone with an average camera for half the price.
I want a smartphone that has a camera and not a camera that had a smartphone.
Awesome announcement. They should release a ring that helps you control the volume, play, pause, and scroll when reading a page or book!
Stop trying to make "slofie" happen.
Comments here are missing one point. The very first thing the page says is “a new pro line for iPhone that delivers advanced performance for users who want the very best smartphone”. This is not meant to appeal to the mass market. It’s to silence critics that the competition is faster, has a better camera, longer battery, etc.
It’s true, this phone is not innovative and they pretty much say that.
I’m curious what would be innovative in a phone now, as opposed to incremental.
Anyone else, from an industrial design standpoint, think the triple-camera nonsense is revolting to look at?
Unfortunately, no matter how fast the hardware gets, the iOS UX is the limiting factor and just as slow as years ago because of the useless UI animations and clutter that do nothing but waste time. Much of the UX isn't even interactive until the animation loop is finished which makes it tedious to use quickly.
It's like using a superfast desktop but limiting your mouse clicks to one every 5 seconds.
Serious question: Why would anyone buy the Pro when you can get the iPhone 11 itself for $300 cheaper?
A13 seems like a nice step up from the A12. Can't wait for the refreshed iPad Pro using it.
Am I the only one who finds the design with all those cameras unsettling in some weird way?
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There aren't many things from Android I miss: can I cancel the upcoming alarm yet?
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These smartphones are increasingly looking like a spider with all these lenses...
Is it just me or does the 3 camera design look disgusting? The design is plain ugly. I love apple for their thoughtful and aesthetic design, but I feel Steve Jobs would not have approved that square 3 camera design.
I am getting the feeling that Johnny Ive left the company over disagreement with such decisions.
So now we have a camera bump on top of the camera bump? No wonder Ivy resigned!
"My phone is so much better than yours I bedazzled it with cameras"
Went to college in 2002 as the first cohort through a newly created "digital imaging technology" program. I failed an assignment because I wrote about how SSD would become standard over HDD, something "incredibly unlikely" - I wonder how my professors feel today.
"Pro Max" is not a qualifier I would expect in an Apple product.
I'm all in for the iPhone Pro but the smaller one with 256GB will be the expensive phone I will ever buy. It is really expensive in Europe, it will cost in Spain 1329€ ($1.467,36). Insane, yes, but I think this model is really worth the price.
This is probably the least interesting new iPhone ever released.
I wonder if there is a correlation between not having taken integral calculus and complaints that incremental changes go nowhere. (Not being sarcastic, just thought of it, watching complaints online)
Apple is the largest technology company in the world
That's a very bad name for a top line product
No 3.5mm jack? I'll stick with my SE thanks.
not sure if i will upgrade for a few years. i regret going to iphone 7 plus as i can't use any decent headphones with it
Who really needs this phone over an iPhone XS? I'm trying to understand, besides those who want the latest product, who this product is appealing to.
Where is new technology!?
The name is so silly I truly believe they are going all in on Asian market.
I like iphone11 pro.
what's the point of all these powerful mobile devices, when I can't have 3rd browser engines that I can customize via extensions. safari on iOS is the equivalent of IE on windows
always wanted a phone with an electric razor.
Trash.
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These sorts of threads appear for every announcement. I chuckled seeing another user claim that it wasn't exciting because they didn't have something like Animojis to announce, that feature being a desperate "please try to buy this phone we're trying to justify this awkward face unlock thing".
It's an incremental update that also brings huge new features to the "low priced" version. And it'll do great.
Will the three cameras allow taking pictures with weird 3D or color effects? IE take a picture with all three of the cameras and interlace them to get trinocular vision or make RGB filters (red on camera 1 etc). You could even do it in video maybe?
That would be cool. I mostly dont care about a bigger screen or better battery.
Where is the new and wacky stuff that Apple is working on? Facebook has Oculus VR and those weird solar powered airplanes providing Internet access in rural countries. Google has its self driving cars. Where's Apple's research project?
Probably the worst written press release from Apple that I can recall.
Pro this, pro that, it sounds like some low end brand trying hard to make their new middling product sound amazing.
Hm, so the crazy ugly weird lens thing was exactly as all the naysayers predicted and were called fake leakers for their trouble. Exactly. So it was a legitimate leak.
Hours and years of talk and when they do research all what people really want is longer battery life.
People miss the days where they charged their phone every 3 to 5 days.
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It's sad to watch a device that was once a serious innovation slowly become another gizmo.
Well those stuff are greattt
i don't like this phone
could it be any more boring
iPhone is sucks
So, the third camera now?
Huawei had a model with one more camera for quite a while, and on my memory different "Uncle Liu Electronics" were making even five and six camera models.
But honestly, that camera module count race is the most ridiculous number game in the industry, far outmatching the megahertz race, core count, and megapixels.
This notch. Can't be unseen in 2019.
Come on, Apple. 13mm, 26mm, and 52mm lenses?
Have you even watched people use your phones? They always zoom in (like, 10x).
A 3x optical would have been much nicer. 4x and I would have preordered.
They should have shoved a 5G chip in the Pro Max, give people an "I need that" reason to upgrade their existing phones.
The incredibly dull pace of innovation coming out of Apple lately is the logical result of a supply chain expert becoming the CEO.
I'll never buy another iPhone without the analog Home button. Having a hardwired "I'm stupid" button makes me feel safe. Keeping it in software means that, when my phone inevitably slows down or crashes, I have no recourse but to wait for the phone to be responsive again.
I know they do it to keep the repair costs down and I appreciate that but the analog button is just that important to me.
Looks like the camera is their main selling proposition.
For me, the camera is the reason why I do not consider buying an iPhone. Because it sticks out on the back.
I don't know .. for me it's impossible to imagine using a phone that does not have a flat back.
The photos used an example don't even look that good. They look heavily photoshopped. If apple really thinks they can overprocess their way into professional photography, they've got another thing coming.
This is pathetic. A company that has 200 billion dollars in the bank, and all they can do is this.
While I understand the need to make the camera more powerful (and it's one of the iPhone's truly outstanding capabilities), I just can't understand how Apple decided the design of iPhone 11. (not the Pro)
Was that new camera system really needed in iPhone 11? It... well... just literally spoiled the design... I understand the need of iPhone 11 Pro's cameras... but really? the 11?
