Looks nice to me, granted I have not been following Thunderbird, as I believed it to be dead[0] over a decade ago. Its nice to see that the community has keep it alive!

For Thunderbird users, do you find it interfaces well with Google Workspace Email (Gmail) and Calendar? I prefer native clients to their interface usually but Apple Mail isn't the greatest so I've been using the web interface and I don't particularly enjoy it.

I use BusyCal for calendar and I like it, but I'd love to have it in a "suite" like this, just makes things easier.

[0]: https://www.theverge.com/2012/7/6/3142046/mozilla-halt-furth...

This looks great!

One minor thing I'd like to see, and I don't know if this is to do with the underlying calendaring spec, is the differentiation of physical location and online meeting.

Some events may have both and I have found the "Join" buttons on desktop notifications for Outlook/Teams to be pretty convenient.

I really really like that Thunderbird is getting maintenance and new features even when I thought it had been abandoned by Mozilla years ago. Though I'm currently using Mail.app (and having used web mail before), I'm curious what happened, who are the developers, how the funding is going, what the relation to Moz is, and whether I should switch?

I'd really like it work with Office365 out of the box. I know there are add-ons that do it (Owl being one of them), but native support just like the support for Gmail accounts would be great.

Really excited about the addition of FFSync, but man do I wish they would properly open source the backend so I can self-host it. (There is some code available online but it doesn't really work)

Be nice of them to fix outstanding bugs, like the nondeterministic turing machine that is doing anything with certificates in Thunderbird e.g. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1481969

The javascript disaster that is the compose window refuses to find certificates that NSS finds, because... something to do with intermediate certificates.

Signing messages is a feature thunderbird has had forever, yet is unstable and nobody is dealing with the obvious open issue in their bug tracker, open since v60 and ignored.

Honestly what I want from an email client is this, plus cardbook (the default address book can't talk carddav, what century are we in), plus calendars. That's it. That's what I want a mail client to do.

Everytime an application I use daily gets a redesign, my palms gets sweaty

Just please please please fix the calendar so that online meeting links make it properly into the notes section of appointments.

I've been using Thunderbird for both work email and personal email (via Protonmail Bridge) for a few years now. I'm really stoked to see it's getting the attention it deserves.

I use Thunderbird exclusively for personal accounts and Outlook for my employer.

Very excited to see Thunderbird calendar being modernized since I feel like it’s always been a step behind Outlook’s.

> By default, getting to this event preview screen requires only 1 click. And it’s 2 clicks to open the edit view (which you can do either in a new tab or a separate floating window).

Phew. I was a bit worried that tab support was going away because the UI in the screenshots with the giant search bar in the top toolbar doesn't seem conducive for it. I'm curious to see how tabs look/work with the new UI.

Wow, super neat! I use TB as my daily driver but for calendar I resort to the GCal webview because is almost unusable, especially the "view event" window which is also an "edit event" window and that is very visually cluttered.

Can't wait to test this on my laptop!

I started using Thunderbird when my old Mac's "Mail" app basically croaked. I bought a newer used Mac a couple months ago and got the latest version of both Thunderbird and Apple's Mail app.

Both of them were much easier to set up, and Apple's Mail app is a lot better now in that regard so I used both of them for a few weeks and Thunderbird won me over.

Fair to say that after using it for so long it was more familiar but it's noticeably faster and the latest version has updated the UI and it's very clean and compact.

I don't use the calendar, but I do think the new design is a big improvement and it's great to see they've been working on it.

Do not want mail program talking to some third party cloud service.

I wonder if it's some of the same work BetterBird is doing?

https://www.betterbird.eu/

Do CardDAV and CalDAV work natively yet?

Why on earth does "month" view still exist in digital calendars? Even worse, many (e.g. Google, Microsoft) don't even have an option for anything better (Thunderbird has "multiweek" which is far more useful).

Can anyone think of another relic from paper-based systems that we still cling to for unknown reasons? Imagine if the web could only be viewed in whole "pages".

But pages don't even negatively affect reading prose that much. Calendars, on the other hand, are all about context. On the first of the month I get the context of the next few following weeks. Useful. But at the end of the month I get the few preceding weeks?! What good is that? Why would my needs change depending on the time of the month? I either need the context or I don't. Month view makes absolutely no sense.

What are the odds of this coming to a standalone Sunbird client?

I've never really liked my email and calendar being in the same app. Especially not the same window, makes cross referencing a PITA. One of the things Apple gets right.

Very relieved to see that the new calendar looks...like a calendar. It is definitely not an area that needs some radical redesign. Incremental quality changes are the way to go.

While it looks nice, can I please not have another problematic Thunderbird update, please.

I am still on 91.13.1 because 102 is causing various issues, most (maybe all) of them already reported.

My number one feature request for Thunberbird is the automatic display of all conversations from a contact, when I'm reading an email message from them. Lack of this feature is the primary reason I've switched to an alternative email tool. I suspect it would be quite a lot of work to implement, though. Wish I knew even the basics of the Thunderbird codebase, but it is very far outside of my basic hacking ability.

Why can literally nobody get calendar month views right? It should be a continuously scrollable list of weeks. Not a book with each month on a different page. It's not paper. Grrr.

Actually once upon a time the Android calendar did work like that... but then they changed it back to the traditional idiotic design.

This would look a lot better with 'real' event titles. The top level picture has "Event title" repeated about a million times, so everything looks the same; in practice events are much more distinct. The later ones are slightly better, at least.

This is an honest question from someone who didn't use nor install Thunderbird for over a decade.

Is it better than Google calendar? I mean, am I missing a lot by using the Google apps as they are from a browser? I hope I am, to be honest, so I can give it a try.

I seem to be the only one here who really does not want a calendar in an e-mail application. They are different things, and should imho be separate programs. Same for chat and tasks.

I hope sync with apple calendars will work out of the box. It’s just a pain right now (events disappearing randomly without any way to debug)

Since I already have Thunderbird, I'm starting to wonder if I should swap off VueMinder for Thunderbird's calendar. Anyone used both and thoughts?

Will it connect with Gnome Online Accounts by default?

Really looking forward to the firefox sync integration!

Great update. Its awesome to see sync is getting implemented, that makes on-boarding on new machine trivial. Calendar needed this too.

the grid lines seem too intense (dark). please make them the same intensity as the calendar border in the top left corner.

Looks like there might be a bug with the calendar, it is showing the date for Saturday as March 6 instead of March 5.

The only new Thunderbird calendar feature I'd like to see it the ability to turn off calendaring in Thunderbird.

It seems that Supernova is the name of "the new Thunderbird UI". Oh please not. I'm so jaded regarding updates to core functionality software.

Is there a list of actual problems with the old Thunderbird UI? Ones that could not be resolved without a rewrite? Otherwise, what is the goal of updating this extremely functional UI?

In future it would be cool to see integration of Emacs's org-mode agenda

I can't wait !!!

Finally, a much needed redesign for Thunderbird. I cant wait to switch from Geary

Are they using vanilla JavaScript?

This doesn't look all that different to the existing calendar really. They have moved the events section to the side instead of at the top and changed some of the sectioning going for the material view where the distinction between elements is just replaced with background coloured space. I am largely indifferent to this change, it doesn't look like its big or important or functionally impressive in any way. I am not going to collapse the weekends and it seems to be the only other new feature being offered is messing with colours for categories. I suspect most people use calendars for categories already, this may be an improvement for some people but its really not worth trying to merge calendars for this purpose as an existing user unless they make that easy (which there is no suggestion they will).

Change for fashion sake and nothing that users have been asking for, sums up all development out of Mozilla at the moment.

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This looks very good, but it's still a long way away.....