M5 MacBook Pro
To any Linux users, I recently bought a fully loaded M4 MacBook pro to replace my aging Lenovo and strongly regret it. I thought I would use it for playing with LLMs, but local dev on a Mac is not fun and I still don't have it fully set up. I'll probably replace it with a framework at some point in the near future.
Edit: okay, that garnered more attention than I expected, I guess I owe a qualification.
1. Everything is just slightly different. I had to split all my dot files into common/Linux/Mac specific sections. Don't expect to be able to clone and build any random C++ project unless someone in the project is specifically targeting Mac.
2. Not everything is supported natively on arm64. I had an idea and wanted to spin up a project using DynamoRIO, but wasn't supported. Others have mentioned the docker quirks.
3. The window manager. I'm not a fan of all the animations and needing to gester between screens (and yes, I've been down the hotkeys rabbit hole). To install a 3rd party window manager you need to disable some security setting because appearantly they work by injecting into the display manager and calling private APIs.
So my person takeaway was that I took the openness of the Linux ecosystem for granted (I've always had a local checkout of the kernel so I can grep an error message if needed). Losing that for me felt like wearing a straightjacket. Ironically I have a MBP at work, but spend my day ssh'd into a Linux box. It's a great machine for running a web browser and terminal emulator.
Pretty funny how they're actively targeting M1 users with their marketing copy with this release.
Sorry you made your first gen chip so good that I don't feel the need to upgrade lol.
Just give me cellular in a MacBook Air already Apple if you want me to insta-buy! Bonus points for OLED.
Air’s don’t have to be just cheap. I want a thin and light premium laptop for walking around and a second Mac (of any type) for my desk.
Apparently, in Europe, the box will not contain a charger [1]. This is absolutely mind-blowing to me.
edit: suggested retail price also dropped with EUR 100. Mind is less blown now. It seems like a good thing in fact.
edit2: in Belgium, the combined price of the 70W adapter and 2m USB-C to MagSafe is EUR 120.
[1] https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/new-macbook-pro-does-no...
What really bugs me, is the huge performance gains are against the M1 and an (5-7yo chip) Intel Mac, that from my own memory had throttling and overheating issues. While not as impressive, I'd really appreciate if they simply showed the generational gains, or actual charts against several previous generations.
I'm still pretty happy with my 16gb M1 Air, but it would be nice to know some closer to real world differences.
Anyone know when to expect the M5 Pros? I am on a base 16gb M1 and struggling hard in daily workloads. I am often running at 20gb of swap memory usage.
I don't really use local LLMs but think 32GB RAM would be good for me... but I am so ready to upgrade but trying to figure out how much longer we need to wait.
No WiFi 7 and WiFi 6E only is annoying. Especially for what they are charging. And Bluetooth 5.3, Their Pro Mac are slower than their iPhone Pro.
SSD has double the speed. I guess they say this only for M5 MacBook Pro, because the previous M4 has always had slower SSD speed than M4 Pro at 3.5GB/s. So now the M5 should be at 7GB/s.
I assume no update on SDXC UHS-III.
it says "up to 14 hours more than intel based mpro", which means intel was designed to last 10 hours which matches what was advertised https://web.archive.org/web/20201109092341/https://www.apple...
we went from 10 hours to 24 hours in 5 years - impressive
i wonder why they advertise gaming on the laptop, anyone plays anything Meaningful on macbooks?
Someone I know saw the 14" starts from $1,599 and the 16" starts at $2,499, and quipped "The most expensive 2 inches ever."
However, it is not just because of the larger display.
M5 14" starts at:
10-Core CPU
10-Core GPU
16GB Unified Memory
512GB SSD Storage
M5 16" starts at:
14-Core CPU
20-Core GPU
24GB Unified Memory
512GB SSD Storage
So it's the cost of 4x more core CPU, 10x (double) the core GPU, and +8GB memory.
Apple’s chip release schedule is so borked. It should be High end Pro and Studio first and then iPad, Air, Mini and downgraded Pro. Why they release the iPad and Low End Pro is beyond me.
Everyone buying their high end gear is buying something waiting to be refreshed now.
wait I can’t have M5 with 64GB ram? highest is just 32GB which is ridiculous!
Am I remembering right that the previous 14" MacBook Pro started at $1399 (and seems to be no longer available?), so this is a $200 price increase?
(I had just been looking at macs a few weeks ago, and had noticed how close in price macbook pro and macbook air were for same specs -- was thinking, really no reason not to get pro even if all I really want it for is the built-in HDMI. They are now more price differentiated, if I am remembering right).
I'm looking to upgrade from the 2013 Macbook Pro to the Macbook Air, I noticed that the pixels per inch are lower in the latest Macbook Air, but I assume that the display is overall better?
Also, I read that the keyboard is slightly different between the Air and the Pro, I'm not a big fan of that chicklet design they released
Lowest tier comes with 16 gb of memory, same memory size with lowest M. air, why Apple?
Looks premium, eco-responsible, powerful, just like the M4. And the M3. And the one before. Does anyone know what exactly changed this year?
I've been a Windows fan forever, but the new Mac hardware is making it hard to remain and it's about time for a new laptop... can't get a good Windows installed on these chips like you could on the Intel-based ones, only virtualized.
As an M1 owner seriously tempted by the hardware, seriously put off by Tahoe…
At least for now, seems to be available only for the 14" MacBook Pro. I want a 16" M5 MacBook Pro so I will wait ...
Only the cheapest MacBook get M5, the rest stay with M4 Pro and M4 Max? what's going on with that lineup?
Wanted to see if it's worth upgrading from the M1 Pro, but I don't see the M5 Pro in the compare dropdown. https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro/compare/
Probably great, but when the hell are they going to do another damn colour. Hoping by the time I upgrade from the M4 Pro they'll have a green version and a cell modem.
I read the title as "MS MacBook Pro" and prepared for a surprise.
The lack of WiFi 7 is disappointing. 6E is fine but by now I'd expect 7 in new computers.
Sad to release without refreshing the high end line on 16” MBP. I worry they nerfed the 14” MBP to ensure the M4 16” retained better specs to not make the discontinuity worse. Otherwise the 14” outperforming the more expensive 16” would be uncomfortable.
If I buy in the US and use it in the EU – will the Apple Intelligence work?
I would be happy to sacrifice the EU keyboard and have the AI instead :-)
I find it annoying that now I want 2 macbooks, one tuned for local LLMs and the other tuned for light and big screen (Air 15).
I never really used the local LLMs since I can always go to claude but that's always on my irrational brain to spend irresponsibly for that.
I wish they published CPU and graphic performance comparisons vs M1. Apart from coding I do a lot of large photo (100MP) and video (4K+) file processing and I am interested in core graphics performance. Talking centipedes or flying trains are not my thing so their AI benchmarks are useless to me.
why is apple releasing a MBP with the old gen of pro chips (m4 pro)?
Apple's announcement: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45591873
Does it have full sized cursor keys? PgUp/PdDown/HomeEnd keys? If not, its a fashion accessory, its definately not a PROductivity machine used by PROffessionals.